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I'm writing this comment because I'd like to know the reasoning behind the Center party running Konrad Adenauer as its presidential candidate instead of Ludwig Kaas or Joseph Wirth or Joos (depending on who's the leader of the Center party).
"Brüder, zur Sonne, zur Freiheit" doesn't pop even with reparations paused via foreign ministry, all women's rights including abortion, Braun President in 1932, deported Hitler, and unemployment below 10% (basically the old conditions). Possible glitch?
Wow, I’m just getting back into this game after stepping away for awhile and there’s so many new paths to explore! Thank you for keeping up the good work!
Exploit: You can now intentionally get the march on Berlin event several times thus weakening the nazis too much and strengthening the trust in the republic in an unrealistic way, if you win each time. I suggest that the benefits for winning should be smaller if you do it a second time.
1. If at the time of Hindenburg's death Otto Braun is president, but we have an event where he asks the party to resign due to personal circumstances. We can refuse (then everything is as usual), or agree - and then there will be an event for the presidential elections of 1934
2. Make it harder to persuade the Center Party and the National Liberals to support the candidacy of a socialist in the presidential elections of 1932. If in 1934 this was still theoretically imaginable within the framework of the "anti-Nazi front", then with Hindenburg alive this was extremely unlikely in real history. Otherwise, I propose that in the elections of 1932 and 1934 there will be a fine if we forced the Center Party and/or the liberals to vote for our Social Democratic candidate. For example, that a third of their voters will not vote for us. Otherwise, the mechanism of incomplete conversion of party votes only when we support the candidate of the Communist Party.
3. I propose to make a similar vote loss, when we support some candidate who is not ours in elections. I supported Adenauer's candidacy - then the left wing (some 2-3 percent maybe) must vote for Telmann, and not for Adenauer. In the 1924 presidential elections, Gustav Noske supported Hindenburg in the second round, although the SPD supported Wilhelm Marx. So this is historically accurate.
4. Not to combine all the votes of "other" parties to the DNVP in the 1934 elections. This is not entirely correct - it is worth giving them at least half and/or two thirds, but the rest - to the candidacy of the liberals or Adenauer. Still, all these microscopic parties were very different. I don't think that they would all become part of a united far-right bloc.
5. If the march on Berlin takes place under President Otto Braun, then one option could be to hold early presidential elections and/or his resignation with Hindenburg returning as acting president in the name of "national unity." For example, that with the reformed courts they took a neutral position, began negotiations - and the Nazis, in order not to look like the instigators of the Civil War, are ready under pressure to make a temporary compromise in the form of Otto Braun's resignation and snap elections to the Reichstag. Besides, if the SA and the DNVP paramilitary were banned, they will be legalized as part of this compromise
In my run I deported Hitler and made Hindenburg win in '32, in the presidential elections of '34 I nominated Braun while the Nazis nominated Goering, however Goering was not visible in the results, then I convinced the Zentrum to vote for Braun and in the second round Goering appeared.
Hey can anyone give me advice on how to form the "Popular Front"? I know how to get KPD to be friendly to me but i dont know how to get the Center Party to do the same.
I could suggest that (at least on easy mode) if you have a cooperative enough judiciary, Hitler wouldn't be allowed to become a German citizen by the time of the presidential elections, and thus, still capable of being deported after said elections (maybe he'd get deported when he tries to get the German citizenship since he's a criminal and a foreigner?).
It's good to know you're working on the next update, the rare thing was that you were taking over 20 days when (usually) updates released at least after 2 weeks.
I would love to see the new update, especially considering it might be a big one!
I played the earliest versions months ago, and it's great to see how fleshed out the game has become in the meantime. It's really impressively researched, and in today's climate feels more poignant than ever.
One change that hasn't happened that I kind of wished I would've seen a reduction in how card-draw dependent the game is. I frequently find myself in positions where I have my economic plan of choice ready to go and I have the cabinet positions necessary, only to never end up drawing what I need. Easy mode and advisor powers help somewhat, but the only real solution in many cases is to simply save and reload, trying out different permutations of draws from either deck, hoping to avoid landmines like "coalition affairs", endlessly cycling between Prussian affairs and enforcing equal pay for women for the fifth time while the Nazis grow in power, advancing a few months and then making a new couple of saves or going back to a previous set. It's a... sub-optimal experience.
As a Fallen London player, I recognize that some of that is just how StoryNexus is at times, but even Fallen London isn't completely deck based, the majority of actions there are spent on storylets and the like. I know it would be a very major rework (worthy of a 2.0 version numbering for sure), but maybe we could one day see something similar in Social Democracy? At least on the easiest difficulty.
That sounds like a reasonable change, yeah! Although then I wonder what would be left in the government deck, since that's overwhelmingly cabinet position cards with a few others like Prussian bulwark mixed in.
I dunno. I recognize there are trade-offs, and that the randomness is an important and intended part of the game. I honestly didn't expect my feedback to be noticed, much less accepted. At the end of the day, it's your project. Whatever you think is best probably will be.
I didn't think I'd enjoy this game but I ended up loving it. My playthrough was frustrating and anxiety inducing. And because of that, this game did what I value most in games, which is giving me a window into the lives of other people. Thank you for the experience.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17487870.2023.2238107 this paper discusses the effects of revenue-neutral tax swaps on growth; the highest growth comes from shifts from income taxes to consumption taxes, so in the game, in addition to effecting who is hit hardest by taxes, that should boost the overall economy.
This is a controversial subject in economics, one paper is not really proof of anything. More importantly, what the abstract is suggesting is contrary to the Marxist-to-proto-Keynesian economic convictions of SPD of this era and the game is from their perspective.
It's possible to get Weimar coalition from the May 1928 election if you focus on increasing popularity among the working class (and get lucky with card draws in the harder difficulties); increase in middle class support is mostly away from DDP and Zentrum, which is useless in trying to get to 50% total support for the Weimar parties.
does anyone have any tips how to not loose public support in the 1933 election? Even with economic betterments I always seem to miss out on being able to form a coalition.
i find it interesting that (atleast on easy) it is completly possible to win by ignoring government action or election campaign, by simply investing all into the reichsbanner
Don't quite the game during trumps term if that was 1.0? Meant. I doubt trump would be able to anything substantial but still its a good educational game on the issues that plagued Germany before the rise of hitler and a good way to learn how to stop fascism from rising again.
Autumn never really said that she would quit the game though, she just said that there's really not much content to add (or at least that she wants to add for now).
Use paul levi to reach out to kpd, have high relations with kpd, put spy in comintern, choose not to reveal the Wittorf Affair, have the foreign ministry to reach out to the soviet union and give them free money, then ask them about the wittorf affair. Then, continue to maintain high relations while ensuring the the soviet union think the spd are 'communist enough'. This can be done by choosing the left as the main party direction and attacking the bourgeoisie parties. Then, the event for the conciliatory to take over kpd will fire at one point.
Do tariffs raise support of the old middle class and rural support? If they do not they should because tariffs increase prices for for agricultural goods and also increases price for goods like what artiasans make.
I got the Nazis in crisis event and the march on Berlin at the same time, but was able to cancel the march on Berlin by clicking the Nazis in crisis event.
Edit: This won't happen viceversa if you manage to defeat the march on Berlin without facing a civil war, the Nazis in crisis event will still be present.
Reichswehr content is quite lacking/not quite as impactful now. I think we need huge negative events related to the military, especially if we ignore them lmao.
idk how historically reichswehr is involved in the whole events, but surely they're powerful enough, no?
I've managed to scrape by the skin of my teeth to the end of 1933 a few left-runs where I wonder how the at-most divided reichswehr general staff would feel about germany going down a socialist path!
Suggestion: If strife gets too high/goes over a certain limit. The public starts to demand you to restore order if you are in government and/or control Prussia and failure to do so (You doing nothing or your actions fail to restore order) results in decreased SPD/republic support.
For examples of those actions can be something like: -Use interior ministry to ban/persecute a paramilitary -Increase police presence/patrols -Use loyal reichswehr to enact martial law(?)
My examples aren't super thought out but I hope it gets the point across.
If I am not wrong, you need toni sender as an advisor and use her organising woman ability. And then arm the reichsbanner until a certain militarisation and the option to have women in the reichsbanner will appear. Choose the option.
At the start of the game, take the shuffle leadership card, fire everyone, hire everyone from the left faction, fire everyone from the left faction, hire everyone back from the left faction, repeat until very high for dissent for the left faction, repeat for each faction, so everyone—centrist, leftist, labour, and reformist—resigns, causing a collapse in the polls as the SAPD gets very large. Then, pick only bad cards, such as enforcing party discipline, increasing fundraising, and decreasing Reichsbanner funding. After each election, always pick no governing majority. Repeat until after the great depression and Hitler will be the chancellor. For the Young Plan event, do not campaign for either side. Remember not to pick the right-wing coalition after every election. Now, only 1% of Catholics and 0% of everyone else like the SPD. 1 seat SPD is now formed.
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Good morning, afternoon or evening depending on when you are reading this.
I'm writing this comment because I'd like to know the reasoning behind the Center party running Konrad Adenauer as its presidential candidate instead of Ludwig Kaas or Joseph Wirth or Joos (depending on who's the leader of the Center party).
"Brüder, zur Sonne, zur Freiheit" doesn't pop even with reparations paused via foreign ministry, all women's rights including abortion, Braun President in 1932, deported Hitler, and unemployment below 10% (basically the old conditions). Possible glitch?
This should be fixed now…
Bug: When improving relations with Otto Braun the DDP is still named as DDP even after the name change.
Should be fixed now
Wow, I’m just getting back into this game after stepping away for awhile and there’s so many new paths to explore! Thank you for keeping up the good work!
Exploit: You can now intentionally get the march on Berlin event several times thus weakening the nazis too much and strengthening the trust in the republic in an unrealistic way, if you win each time. I suggest that the benefits for winning should be smaller if you do it a second time.
New Suggestions:
1. If at the time of Hindenburg's death Otto Braun is president, but we have an event where he asks the party to resign due to personal circumstances. We can refuse (then everything is as usual), or agree - and then there will be an event for the presidential elections of 1934
2. Make it harder to persuade the Center Party and the National Liberals to support the candidacy of a socialist in the presidential elections of 1932. If in 1934 this was still theoretically imaginable within the framework of the "anti-Nazi front", then with Hindenburg alive this was extremely unlikely in real history. Otherwise, I propose that in the elections of 1932 and 1934 there will be a fine if we forced the Center Party and/or the liberals to vote for our Social Democratic candidate. For example, that a third of their voters will not vote for us. Otherwise, the mechanism of incomplete conversion of party votes only when we support the candidate of the Communist Party.
3. I propose to make a similar vote loss, when we support some candidate who is not ours in elections. I supported Adenauer's candidacy - then the left wing (some 2-3 percent maybe) must vote for Telmann, and not for Adenauer. In the 1924 presidential elections, Gustav Noske supported Hindenburg in the second round, although the SPD supported Wilhelm Marx. So this is historically accurate.
4. Not to combine all the votes of "other" parties to the DNVP in the 1934 elections. This is not entirely correct - it is worth giving them at least half and/or two thirds, but the rest - to the candidacy of the liberals or Adenauer. Still, all these microscopic parties were very different. I don't think that they would all become part of a united far-right bloc.
5. If the march on Berlin takes place under President Otto Braun, then one option could be to hold early presidential elections and/or his resignation with Hindenburg returning as acting president in the name of "national unity." For example, that with the reformed courts they took a neutral position, began negotiations - and the Nazis, in order not to look like the instigators of the Civil War, are ready under pressure to make a temporary compromise in the form of Otto Braun's resignation and snap elections to the Reichstag. Besides, if the SA and the DNVP paramilitary were banned, they will be legalized as part of this compromise
In my run I deported Hitler and made Hindenburg win in '32, in the presidential elections of '34 I nominated Braun while the Nazis nominated Goering, however Goering was not visible in the results, then I convinced the Zentrum to vote for Braun and in the second round Goering appeared.
This should be fixed now
bug report:the 1934 presidential election is always won by Goring despite my candidate taking the lead
This should be fixed now
NEW UPDATE！
Hey can anyone give me advice on how to form the "Popular Front"? I know how to get KPD to be friendly to me but i dont know how to get the Center Party to do the same.
influence the center let Joseph joos be the patry president
I could suggest that (at least on easy mode) if you have a cooperative enough judiciary, Hitler wouldn't be allowed to become a German citizen by the time of the presidential elections, and thus, still capable of being deported after said elections (maybe he'd get deported when he tries to get the German citizenship since he's a criminal and a foreigner?).
It's been well over 20 days, Is it's Red Autumnover..?
Updates are still in the works; have some patience…
It's good to know you're working on the next update, the rare thing was that you were taking over 20 days when (usually) updates released at least after 2 weeks.
I would love to see the new update, especially considering it might be a big one!
I played the earliest versions months ago, and it's great to see how fleshed out the game has become in the meantime. It's really impressively researched, and in today's climate feels more poignant than ever.
One change that hasn't happened that I kind of wished I would've seen a reduction in how card-draw dependent the game is. I frequently find myself in positions where I have my economic plan of choice ready to go and I have the cabinet positions necessary, only to never end up drawing what I need. Easy mode and advisor powers help somewhat, but the only real solution in many cases is to simply save and reload, trying out different permutations of draws from either deck, hoping to avoid landmines like "coalition affairs", endlessly cycling between Prussian affairs and enforcing equal pay for women for the fifth time while the Nazis grow in power, advancing a few months and then making a new couple of saves or going back to a previous set. It's a... sub-optimal experience.
As a Fallen London player, I recognize that some of that is just how StoryNexus is at times, but even Fallen London isn't completely deck based, the majority of actions there are spent on storylets and the like. I know it would be a very major rework (worthy of a 2.0 version numbering for sure), but maybe we could one day see something similar in Social Democracy? At least on the easiest difficulty.
I’m thinking of adding a “Cabinet” pinned card for selecting government policies; how does that sound?
“Coalition Affairs” as a landmine is deliberate, btw.
good idea
That sounds like a reasonable change, yeah! Although then I wonder what would be left in the government deck, since that's overwhelmingly cabinet position cards with a few others like Prussian bulwark mixed in.
I dunno. I recognize there are trade-offs, and that the randomness is an important and intended part of the game. I honestly didn't expect my feedback to be noticed, much less accepted. At the end of the day, it's your project. Whatever you think is best probably will be.
Presumably it would also have a cool down period
I didn't think I'd enjoy this game but I ended up loving it. My playthrough was frustrating and anxiety inducing. And because of that, this game did what I value most in games, which is giving me a window into the lives of other people. Thank you for the experience.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17487870.2023.2238107 this paper discusses the effects of revenue-neutral tax swaps on growth; the highest growth comes from shifts from income taxes to consumption taxes, so in the game, in addition to effecting who is hit hardest by taxes, that should boost the overall economy.
This is a controversial subject in economics, one paper is not really proof of anything. More importantly, what the abstract is suggesting is contrary to the Marxist-to-proto-Keynesian economic convictions of SPD of this era and the game is from their perspective.
anyone got introductions on the worker’s council? I wonder how it worked in history
I found a good way to get KPD friendly——allow the mayday march to proceed without police presence.
but that would trigger a no confidence vote
It doesn't trigger the vote if you pay the coalition members, form a Weimar coalition, or don't raise coalition dissent at all prior
Yes it would be nice to have a Weimar coalition first and then form a Popular Front
It's possible to get Weimar coalition from the May 1928 election if you focus on increasing popularity among the working class (and get lucky with card draws in the harder difficulties); increase in middle class support is mostly away from DDP and Zentrum, which is useless in trying to get to 50% total support for the Weimar parties.
The tooltips don't work in mobile (or at least on a mobile browser).
Yeah it doesn't work for mobile browsers
That's a shame.
It might get fixed later
does anyone have any tips how to not loose public support in the 1933 election? Even with economic betterments I always seem to miss out on being able to form a coalition.
influence the center let Joseph joos be the patry president
ah ok, thx. Will try that next time
by the way how to form a popular front?
Conciliators in KDP or Joos in Zentrum makes that's easy. The most hard part — get a good moment to drop DVP out of coalition.
Spy in Comintern will give you boost to KDP without hate from Center. Also use advisors for relationship
thx i managed one
it is so difficult to form a coalition with KPD…
I find it more of a problem to also maintain good enough relations with the Zentrum for a popular front coalition
the same
i find it interesting that (atleast on easy) it is completly possible to win by ignoring government action or election campaign, by simply investing all into the reichsbanner
Is there still a plan for a steam release? I think that would be really cool.
how to form a progressive coalition?
Theres a progressive coalition?
KPD+DDP+you+SAPD=51% in Reichstag . With that you can make abortions legal. Even if KPD hostile to you
Yeah since there all progressive and support women's rights
You can't necessarily form a progressive coalition government and its only function is for passing — you guessed it, progressive reforms.
Don't quite the game during trumps term if that was 1.0? Meant. I doubt trump would be able to anything substantial but still its a good educational game on the issues that plagued Germany before the rise of hitler and a good way to learn how to stop fascism from rising again.
Autumn never really said that she would quit the game though, she just said that there's really not much content to add (or at least that she wants to add for now).
They kinda of said that they lost hope since trump won.
I struggle a lot with historical mode because I don't know how to get spd away from centrism and get into action instead.
Nvm, I figured out why, I used Hilferding once thinking he would rrduce dissent but all it did was to strengthen the centrist wing.
March 1931 was a pretty eventful month.
The Nazis couldn't stand a Second Popular Front being formed.
No, they can. And KPD wiil demand improved relations with the USSR
How did you turn on dark mode?
Edit: The civil war started after I attempted to form another Popular Front after already having formed one.
1. Dark mode — https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/dark-reader/eimadpbcbfnmbkopoojfekhnkhd...
https://darkreader.org
2. The civil war will start, if you do too much progressive reforms and dont do investigations of the far-right
A lot happened in this match.
Wow.
That wasn't really that difficult. It just took me two tries.
Gotta thank Passionario for making the Schwarz-Rot-Gold achievement easier to earn 🙏.
How do I get the conciliators to lead the KPD?
put a spy in the Comintern early
Use paul levi to reach out to kpd, have high relations with kpd, put spy in comintern, choose not to reveal the Wittorf Affair, have the foreign ministry to reach out to the soviet union and give them free money, then ask them about the wittorf affair. Then, continue to maintain high relations while ensuring the the soviet union think the spd are 'communist enough'. This can be done by choosing the left as the main party direction and attacking the bourgeoisie parties. Then, the event for the conciliatory to take over kpd will fire at one point.
I never get the option to ask the Soviets about the Wirtoff Affair.
Did you provide aid without asking for the Reichswehr support? Was that after the wirtoff affair event?
Edit:Was that also before the affair ended?
Thank you for the advice. It worked.
You need the neorevisionists and to pass enough judiciary reforms.
I don't remember, but you can see if you can pass it if you have Gustav Radbruch as an advisor.
Skill issue.
Skill issue
Do tariffs raise support of the old middle class and rural support? If they do not they should because tariffs increase prices for for agricultural goods and also increases price for goods like what artiasans make.
Yes, they do.
Oh cool. Tariffs are the best.
AdolfHitler420Methlord is back!
Bug report?
I got the Nazis in crisis event and the march on Berlin at the same time, but was able to cancel the march on Berlin by clicking the Nazis in crisis event.
Edit: This won't happen viceversa if you manage to defeat the march on Berlin without facing a civil war, the Nazis in crisis event will still be present.
New update! Nice!
Reichswehr content is quite lacking/not quite as impactful now. I think we need huge negative events related to the military, especially if we ignore them lmao.
idk how historically reichswehr is involved in the whole events, but surely they're powerful enough, no?
I've managed to scrape by the skin of my teeth to the end of 1933 a few left-runs where I wonder how the at-most divided reichswehr general staff would feel about germany going down a socialist path!
Suggestion: If strife gets too high/goes over a certain limit. The public starts to demand you to restore order if you are in government and/or control Prussia and failure to do so (You doing nothing or your actions fail to restore order) results in decreased SPD/republic support.
For examples of those actions can be something like:
-Use interior ministry to ban/persecute a paramilitary
-Increase police presence/patrols
-Use loyal reichswehr to enact martial law(?)
My examples aren't super thought out but I hope it gets the point across.
Does anyone have any idea of how to get the Mädchen in Uniform achievement?
If I am not wrong, you need toni sender as an advisor and use her organising woman ability. And then arm the reichsbanner until a certain militarisation and the option to have women in the reichsbanner will appear. Choose the option.
Damn I suck at this, I keep losing around 1931 or 1932 every time
RNGsus hates you.
Nah I think I just suck lol, I've only played about 3 or 4 times, but I always keep steadily losing votes and just cant seem to find a good strategy.
Did you at least try to enact a public works program?
Fastest NSDAP speedrun (At least unemployment is reduced, according to the game)
How did you get absolutely no support for the SPD?
At the start of the game, take the shuffle leadership card, fire everyone, hire everyone from the left faction, fire everyone from the left faction, hire everyone back from the left faction, repeat until very high for dissent for the left faction, repeat for each faction, so everyone—centrist, leftist, labour, and reformist—resigns, causing a collapse in the polls as the SAPD gets very large. Then, pick only bad cards, such as enforcing party discipline, increasing fundraising, and decreasing Reichsbanner funding. After each election, always pick no governing majority. Repeat until after the great depression and Hitler will be the chancellor. For the Young Plan event, do not campaign for either side. Remember not to pick the right-wing coalition after every election. Now, only 1% of Catholics and 0% of everyone else like the SPD. 1 seat SPD is now formed.
Shout out to that single catholic still supporting the SPD.
I've decided to try that as well.